Tom discusses addiction struggles with guest Pej, an experienced interventionist. Pej shares his personal journey from hitting rock bottom, family denial, and eventually to embracing recovery. They explore the flaws in using incentives for sobriety and the critical nature of professional help. Pej emphasizes the transformative power of ongoing support, service, and connection to a higher purpose. The episode shares success stories, tackles the danger of fentanyl, and the emotional weight of relapse. Listeners are left with a better understanding of addiction and the transformative impact of recovery.